unspent that can go out and serve unserved america today. the same issue will be in front of us in 2013. that's what windstream's waiver is all about. is there other ways to think about this other than setting this $775 limit? beyond that, i think getting on to the model that we need going forward for universal service funding. the industry, put forth a model, but the fcc needs their own model which will drive calf too, that's where the energy needs to be put. that's where the biggest bang for the buck will be in the business because, remember, as we looked at these more than minor changes in the financials of the telephone companies across the country, it was so important that we do these two things coi understand didn'tly. -- coincidentally. we got out of sync, one down efficiently and fast. we just have to work the usf thing, and it's about the consumer. >> host: jeff gardner, president and ceo of the windstream corporation. he is also chairman this year of the u.s. telecom trade association. he's been our guest on "the communicators" along with paul barbagallo of bloomberg.